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  • Carole October 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Where do you get food grade lye?

    • Carol C October 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm

      try asian markets they have lye water, have used it for another recipe worked out fine

  • allen October 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I only used a few tablespoons for the olives and I needed another recipe for all that lye, just in time for beer season. Must make some mustard to compliment these beauties, Thank you!

  • John October 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Carole: try http://www.essentialdepot.com They currently have 2lbs of food grade lye on sale for 3.44 (probably $10 after shipping). This will last a very long time for pretzel making. Make sure you choose food grade and not tech grade which is theoretically even more pure but also more expensive. I believe Michael used drain cleaner from home depot when he did the olives (not joking, if I remember correctly). Given how cheap essential depot is, I don’t recommend that though a lot of people have done it and lived to tell the tale.

  • Rich Hawley October 9, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    I use 1/2 cup baking soda to 2 quarts of water.
    I bring the water to a hard rolling boil, add the soda (be careful, it WILL foam up but shouldn’t overflow if you use a wide pot), and drop my dough for 15 seconds per side.
    BTW, try it with your hotdog buns :)

    Also, for those who don’t know, one type of food-grade lye is “pickling lime”. I use that for making hominy (which I then dry and grind for grits).

    • ruhlman October 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      this is what someone on facebook also recommended as replacement for lye.

    • John October 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm

      Pickling lime is calcium hydroxide, lye is sodium hydroxide.

  • Rich Hawley October 9, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Sorry for the double post. I should give credit where it is due:
    http://www.food.com/recipe/bretzel-rolls-bavarian-pretzel-sandwich-rolls-169790

  • Patrick Housh October 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    A couple of key points when working with lye:
    Wear latex gloves, long sleeves and safety goggles and always be sure to add lye to water, never the other way around, and take care not to splash.
    Also, baking soda will not result in a Bavarian style pretzel crust or flavor.
    You really need to use lye. Of course you then need to deal with disposal of the lye water.

    • ruhlman October 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm

      lye water not good for cleaning pipes?

      • Patrick Housh October 10, 2012 at 4:16 pm

        Not when on a septic system.

  • Bruce Ezzell October 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    I’m guessing a third to a half cup of baking soda to a gallon and a half of water, considering how the proportions work for bagels.

  • Al W October 9, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    I tried finding Lye in the area and apparently, lye is a key ingredient for making Meth. So out here in Oregon you can’t find lye at hardware stores or food supply shops.So I also used htpp://www.essentialdepot.com to purchase my lye. They are very nice people, not at all “Meth like”. A 2 lb order makes a lot of pretzels; we are now looking into making our own soap.

  • Ryan October 9, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Baking soda won’t get you close at all, you can however heat it in the oven using the Solvay process to convert is into sodium carbonate which will get you somewhat closer to the pH of lye, ~11.6 vs 8.4 and since the scale is logarithmic that’s a pretty decent jump. An hour or so at 400F will release carbon dioxide and water, store in an air tight container.
    2 NaHCO → Na2CO3 + H2O + CO2

    • ruhlman October 9, 2012 at 3:47 pm

      cool! thanks for this comment

    • nossi @ The Kosher Gastronome October 10, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      I saw this tip from McGee a year ago or so, and have done this the few times when making bagels with great results

  • Rich Hawley October 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Driving off the water is of no use when you are just going to turn around and add it to water. And the heat of boiling (thermal decomposition) releases the CO2.
    Baking soda works just fine at a ratio of 1/2 cup to 2 quarts of water. I make this a couple times each week.

    • Ryan October 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm

      I guess my pH meter must be broken then.

  • Ed October 9, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Peter Reinhart says, for safety, you can use a baking soda dipping solution: 8 tsp (57g) baking soda, 2 cups (454g) warm water, and an optional egg white for sheen. I haven’t tried it, but I’m not crazy about working with lye.

    • ruhlman October 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm

      I’d do it with my kids, not concerned, just need to be careful. Gloves are required if dipping by hand.

    • John October 10, 2012 at 9:47 am

      I wonder if that was Peter Reinhart or his publisher’s lawyer talking. On the Good Eats episode that dealt with pretzels Alton more or less said that lye is way better but he was showing the baking soda method for legal reasons. There is a difference between a pretzel and a pretzel shaped bagel (which isn’t to say one is objectively better than the other).

  • Ed October 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Forgot to mention why I’m not crazy about making bagels with lye. Jeffrey Hamelman’s wonderful “Bread” book describes how to make bagels with lye. He says to wear plastic gloves that go well up the forearm and have eye protection. His technique is not for the home baker. Wire screen with two handles and a second wire screen without handles that fits on top of first to keep bagels from floating. Stainless steel tank large enough to hold the screens and deep enough to completely submerge the bagels. He dips chilled bagels for five seconds in the lye solution.

  • allen October 9, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Lye is easy and safe with a few precautions.
    You can’t beat the effectiveness of removing the bitterness in unripe olives.
    Keep vinegar near by, it will neutralize the lye if you happen to spill some.
    Mix outdoors, or well ventilated, and not during happy hour.
    I’m not beyond that last idiotic step.

  • Marie | FeelingFoodish October 9, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    is the instant yeast active or instant?

  • Victoria October 10, 2012 at 4:30 am

    I think I got my food-grade lye on Amazon, but I’m not 100 per cent sure. I laughed when you talked about base v acid. As my chemistry teacher used to say, “Do as you oughta, turn acid to water,” and “May his rest be long and placid; he turned water into acid.”

  • Valerie October 14, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Saw this post, made the pretzels, LOVED the pretzels! Thanks!

  • Ed October 15, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Just saw this post by Hank Shaw on lye-cured olives http://honest-food.net/2012/10/15/curing-olives-lye-recipe/ (Michael I just spotted your 2009 post on the same subject). Hank’s research leads him to believe that there is no difference between food-grade lye and 100 percent sodium hydroxide drain cleaner.

  • Samantha October 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    i make homemade pretzels at least once a week using baking soda with perfect results. i used to measure it out at 1 tbsp per cup of water, but now i just use a bunch of baking soda in enough water to cover my pretzels. last night, i made garlic pretzel rolls (1 cup of flour yielded two large rolls that we happily slathered with the best vermont butter i’ve ever had). we promptly made two more.

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