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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-76846</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 02:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you were a migraineur, you would not be so flippant about added MSG, nitrates/ites, etc.  When those substances are included in food, even celery, many of us get a raging migraine that is difficult to end.  It is the fact they are purposeful additives prepared to cure/enhance food.  The way these additives are manufactured isn&#039;t natural.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were a migraineur, you would not be so flippant about added MSG, nitrates/ites, etc.  When those substances are included in food, even celery, many of us get a raging migraine that is difficult to end.  It is the fact they are purposeful additives prepared to cure/enhance food.  The way these additives are manufactured isn&#8217;t natural.</p>
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		<title>By: SleepyD</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-76411</link>
		<dc:creator>SleepyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 12:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[+1. Apparently he missed the part about &quot;without going in to too much detail&quot;. Maybe he needs to back off on the salt a bit?  ; )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1. Apparently he missed the part about &#8220;without going in to too much detail&#8221;. Maybe he needs to back off on the salt a bit?  ; )</p>
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		<title>By: Scott B</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-76404</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Validation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Validation.</p>
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		<title>By: Shreela</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-2/#comment-76004</link>
		<dc:creator>Shreela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the long comment:

I&#039;ve suffered digestive issues (bloating, discomfort, slightly constipated followed by the opposite) after eating sausage for most of my life. After a while, I figured out I could eat breakfast (fresh) sausage without the issues, and if I only ate a small amount of cured sausage, the issues were minor (when I was younger).

But things changed as I approached middle age. I developed major digestive issues, after approximately three years of medical tests and many drs, the third GI figured out I&#039;m probably highly sensitive to certain food additives. Since he said there weren&#039;t any tests to narrow down WHICH additives bothered my gut lining, for me to cook from scratch, then slowly challenge myself with my favorite commercial foods to see if I tolerated them.

Carrageenan was the absolute worst offender, followed by annatto (thrilled I can eat un-dyed cheeses again!), then something in sausage (assuming either nitrate or nitrite - remember I&#039;ve been having slight issues with cured sausage for at least 20 years by now). But it seems my gut has become more sensitive from all the inflammation caused by carrageenan, for now it takes less annatto or nitrate/nitrites to trigger a &quot;gut attack&quot; (and now I&#039;m finding some deli meats are injected with carrageenan, ack!)

My husband bought me an electric meat grinder so I could make fresh sausage from shoulders and butts, and no issues, yay!

After reading an article about how modern vs traditional curing methods leave behind different amounts of NO2 and/or NO3 at http://zmojournal.blogspot.com/2008/07/nitrate-cured-salami.html 

I&#039;m curious if I might tolerate traditionally cured sausage, since according to the article I pasted above: &quot;The problem is when the cure is rushed, NO2 doesn’t disappear like it does when you cure traditionally over thirty days.&quot; It would be great if I could tolerate traditionally cured sausages, for they&#039;re much yummier than fresh. Does anyone know where there&#039;s traditionally cured sausage in Houston (preferably the southern part - I&#039;m a bit north of Ellington/Clear Lake region)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the long comment:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve suffered digestive issues (bloating, discomfort, slightly constipated followed by the opposite) after eating sausage for most of my life. After a while, I figured out I could eat breakfast (fresh) sausage without the issues, and if I only ate a small amount of cured sausage, the issues were minor (when I was younger).</p>
<p>But things changed as I approached middle age. I developed major digestive issues, after approximately three years of medical tests and many drs, the third GI figured out I&#8217;m probably highly sensitive to certain food additives. Since he said there weren&#8217;t any tests to narrow down WHICH additives bothered my gut lining, for me to cook from scratch, then slowly challenge myself with my favorite commercial foods to see if I tolerated them.</p>
<p>Carrageenan was the absolute worst offender, followed by annatto (thrilled I can eat un-dyed cheeses again!), then something in sausage (assuming either nitrate or nitrite &#8211; remember I&#8217;ve been having slight issues with cured sausage for at least 20 years by now). But it seems my gut has become more sensitive from all the inflammation caused by carrageenan, for now it takes less annatto or nitrate/nitrites to trigger a &#8220;gut attack&#8221; (and now I&#8217;m finding some deli meats are injected with carrageenan, ack!)</p>
<p>My husband bought me an electric meat grinder so I could make fresh sausage from shoulders and butts, and no issues, yay!</p>
<p>After reading an article about how modern vs traditional curing methods leave behind different amounts of NO2 and/or NO3 at <a href="http://zmojournal.blogspot.com/2008/07/nitrate-cured-salami.html" rel="nofollow">http://zmojournal.blogspot.com/2008/07/nitrate-cured-salami.html</a> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious if I might tolerate traditionally cured sausage, since according to the article I pasted above: &#8220;The problem is when the cure is rushed, NO2 doesn’t disappear like it does when you cure traditionally over thirty days.&#8221; It would be great if I could tolerate traditionally cured sausages, for they&#8217;re much yummier than fresh. Does anyone know where there&#8217;s traditionally cured sausage in Houston (preferably the southern part &#8211; I&#8217;m a bit north of Ellington/Clear Lake region)?</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-2/#comment-75858</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone with food allergies, cancer, and a scientific education, a lot of the comments on this blog are beyond ignorant.
Most of the cancer warning are based on a combination of epidemiological studies and direct animal studies where the animals are given high doses of the suspected carcinogen. So, they are not just nut-case pseudo-scientists making trouble for people. They are usually professionals trying to figure out how to keep folk from suffering through cancer treatment (which is Not Fun) and dying slowly and painfully, sometimes without the ability to ever actually eat again.
Current cancer research is focused on the differences in how various people&#039;s bodies respond to both potential carcinogens and cancer treatments (frequently one and the same). 
The take aways?
Know what you are eating. 
Know how science is done before ignoring it
If you have a family history of stomach cancer, take it easy on fat and chemicals. If you don&#039;t, take it easy on fat.
Don&#039;t ridicule people you don&#039;t know. You are not living in their bodies and do not know their pain or struggles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone with food allergies, cancer, and a scientific education, a lot of the comments on this blog are beyond ignorant.<br />
Most of the cancer warning are based on a combination of epidemiological studies and direct animal studies where the animals are given high doses of the suspected carcinogen. So, they are not just nut-case pseudo-scientists making trouble for people. They are usually professionals trying to figure out how to keep folk from suffering through cancer treatment (which is Not Fun) and dying slowly and painfully, sometimes without the ability to ever actually eat again.<br />
Current cancer research is focused on the differences in how various people&#8217;s bodies respond to both potential carcinogens and cancer treatments (frequently one and the same).<br />
The take aways?<br />
Know what you are eating.<br />
Know how science is done before ignoring it<br />
If you have a family history of stomach cancer, take it easy on fat and chemicals. If you don&#8217;t, take it easy on fat.<br />
Don&#8217;t ridicule people you don&#8217;t know. You are not living in their bodies and do not know their pain or struggles.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-75838</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 04:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stop worrying...we are all gonna die anyway!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop worrying&#8230;we are all gonna die anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Vaughan, L.Ac.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Vaughan, L.Ac.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Richard&quot;&gt;
&lt;cite&gt;Richard&lt;/cite&gt;
Thank you for devoting a blog entry to this.  Another reason not to use celery juice as a curing agent is the level of nitrates in celery juice is not consistent.  That inconsistency can cause greater problems (including botulism poisoning) with obtaining a proper cure than the minuscule chance that you will get cancer.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure that is valid and it is certainly possible to check nitrate levels in celery.  My concern is not whether celery et. al. contain nitrates but whether celery with its natural nitrates react in the body the same way as isolated nitrate salts.  We know that there is a difference between fruit and fructose isolates (whether in HFCS or crystalline fructose), between natural and synthetic vitamins and between whole herbs with their buffers and cofactors and isolated phyto nutrients.  So it is possible that the celery juice which has more than nitrates in it is closer to real food and could be better in bacon if used in a well-designed recipe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Richard"><p>
<cite>Richard</cite><br />
Thank you for devoting a blog entry to this.  Another reason not to use celery juice as a curing agent is the level of nitrates in celery juice is not consistent.  That inconsistency can cause greater problems (including botulism poisoning) with obtaining a proper cure than the minuscule chance that you will get cancer.
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure that is valid and it is certainly possible to check nitrate levels in celery.  My concern is not whether celery et. al. contain nitrates but whether celery with its natural nitrates react in the body the same way as isolated nitrate salts.  We know that there is a difference between fruit and fructose isolates (whether in HFCS or crystalline fructose), between natural and synthetic vitamins and between whole herbs with their buffers and cofactors and isolated phyto nutrients.  So it is possible that the celery juice which has more than nitrates in it is closer to real food and could be better in bacon if used in a well-designed recipe.</p>
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		<title>By: cpt awkward</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-75743</link>
		<dc:creator>cpt awkward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i am literally shedding a tear for you right now :&#039;(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am literally shedding a tear for you right now :&#8217;(</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-75740</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what does your comment add?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what does your comment add?</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-75261</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 19:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get horrible reactions to packaged bacon (ie Oscar Meyer - yuck) but am fine when I eat the bacon made at my local meat market.  

I too suffer from severe migraines (much like someone said above) and buying prepackaged/processed anything is going to mess me up for whatever reason.  I used to think that nitrates messed me up, but have learned that if I&#039;m going to eat bacon, I&#039;m going to get the good stuff.  Period.  

The less something is processed the better ie buy bacon from the meat guy around the corner who makes it himself versus Trader Joe&#039;s, you&#039;ll support the little guy and eat something that hasn&#039;t been sitting in a package for who knows how long!

Nitrates via the powder or celery, doesn&#039;t matter.  It all comes out in the wash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get horrible reactions to packaged bacon (ie Oscar Meyer &#8211; yuck) but am fine when I eat the bacon made at my local meat market.  </p>
<p>I too suffer from severe migraines (much like someone said above) and buying prepackaged/processed anything is going to mess me up for whatever reason.  I used to think that nitrates messed me up, but have learned that if I&#8217;m going to eat bacon, I&#8217;m going to get the good stuff.  Period.  </p>
<p>The less something is processed the better ie buy bacon from the meat guy around the corner who makes it himself versus Trader Joe&#8217;s, you&#8217;ll support the little guy and eat something that hasn&#8217;t been sitting in a package for who knows how long!</p>
<p>Nitrates via the powder or celery, doesn&#8217;t matter.  It all comes out in the wash.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Tower</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-75212</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Tower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 20:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just came across this thread and am intrigued by by all the paranoia and misinformation out there. The FDA allows a maximum of 500 parts per million nitrate in processed meats. Spinach grown in the U.S. and Canada averages over 2,000 parts per million nitrate and and some samples are over 5,000 parts per million. You can eat a pound of bacon and consume less nitrate than if you ate a &quot;healthy&quot; spinach salad. If anyone is not eating bacon because of nitrate fears they are are misguided and missing out on one of the world&#039;s most tasty foods. What do they eat that they think is safer? If you are not growing all your own fruits and vegetables without commercial fertilizers and raising all your own meat and dairy products under humane conditions without antibiotics you are eating a lot more dangerous stuff than naturally produced sodium nitrate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across this thread and am intrigued by by all the paranoia and misinformation out there. The FDA allows a maximum of 500 parts per million nitrate in processed meats. Spinach grown in the U.S. and Canada averages over 2,000 parts per million nitrate and and some samples are over 5,000 parts per million. You can eat a pound of bacon and consume less nitrate than if you ate a &#8220;healthy&#8221; spinach salad. If anyone is not eating bacon because of nitrate fears they are are misguided and missing out on one of the world&#8217;s most tasty foods. What do they eat that they think is safer? If you are not growing all your own fruits and vegetables without commercial fertilizers and raising all your own meat and dairy products under humane conditions without antibiotics you are eating a lot more dangerous stuff than naturally produced sodium nitrate.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://ruhlman.com/2011/05/the-no-nitrites-added-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-74954</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 04:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ugh.. too many comments to look through, but there is evidence that suggests that too much nitrites can increase your chances of Alzheimer&#039;s disease.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090705215239.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh.. too many comments to look through, but there is evidence that suggests that too much nitrites can increase your chances of Alzheimer&#8217;s disease.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090705215239.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090705215239.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: KosherCorvid</title>
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		<dc:creator>KosherCorvid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 22:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know about nitrites, but red 40 is only contraindicated for pregnant women, as it was shown in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20077213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;trials&lt;/a&gt; to potentially slow the development of neural progenitor cells. In layman&#039;s terms, embryonic cells that are going to become brain and nerve cells grow a little slower if mommy mouse is forced to eat over 1,000 times a normal dose of red 40 per day. That translates to straight up drinking over a cup of McCormick red food coloring a day. I understand that pregnant ladies sometimes have odd cravings, but unless several whole red velvet cakes are on the menu every day, there isn&#039;t much to worry about. No negative effects have been recorded in post-foetal organisms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about nitrites, but red 40 is only contraindicated for pregnant women, as it was shown in <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20077213" rel="nofollow">trials</a> to potentially slow the development of neural progenitor cells. In layman&#8217;s terms, embryonic cells that are going to become brain and nerve cells grow a little slower if mommy mouse is forced to eat over 1,000 times a normal dose of red 40 per day. That translates to straight up drinking over a cup of McCormick red food coloring a day. I understand that pregnant ladies sometimes have odd cravings, but unless several whole red velvet cakes are on the menu every day, there isn&#8217;t much to worry about. No negative effects have been recorded in post-foetal organisms.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave McCulloch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave McCulloch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 02:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most people are like sheep they have no ideas of there own and follow the flock. I have been using sodium nitrite for years in jerky sausage pepperoni because i like the color and love the flavour. I am 70 yrs. old and have survived 2 cancers and other health problems associated with chemo and I am as healthy as ever so who figures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people are like sheep they have no ideas of there own and follow the flock. I have been using sodium nitrite for years in jerky sausage pepperoni because i like the color and love the flavour. I am 70 yrs. old and have survived 2 cancers and other health problems associated with chemo and I am as healthy as ever so who figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Bozzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Bozzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 04:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW. Awesome article. &quot;Healthy foods&quot; are changing consumers buying habits, and companies are taking advantage of that big time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. Awesome article. &#8220;Healthy foods&#8221; are changing consumers buying habits, and companies are taking advantage of that big time.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 14:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe you are referring to a Food Network show that was rigged to show those particular results. The show served two different meals: one supposedly free of MSG and the other loaded with it and found reactions in both groups. The only problem is that the meals free from MSG contained other hydrolyzed protein additives (soy protein isolate, hydrolized vegetable broth, etc.) in place of the pure monosodium glutamate. Do you get it yet? The same trick that is used by food manufacturers nationwide was used on gullible TV viewers. And here are you quoting from that same stupid show like its the gospel. BTW, the same trick was used in medical studies to discount the MSG reaction. The capsules that contained the placebo did contain aspartame which produces a reaction in the same group of MSG sensitive individuals as MSG.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you are referring to a Food Network show that was rigged to show those particular results. The show served two different meals: one supposedly free of MSG and the other loaded with it and found reactions in both groups. The only problem is that the meals free from MSG contained other hydrolyzed protein additives (soy protein isolate, hydrolized vegetable broth, etc.) in place of the pure monosodium glutamate. Do you get it yet? The same trick that is used by food manufacturers nationwide was used on gullible TV viewers. And here are you quoting from that same stupid show like its the gospel. BTW, the same trick was used in medical studies to discount the MSG reaction. The capsules that contained the placebo did contain aspartame which produces a reaction in the same group of MSG sensitive individuals as MSG.</p>
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		<title>By: kc</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you need to be very careful when trying to &quot;disprove&quot; the health afflictions of someone you don&#039;t even know over an internet connection. My children and I are allergic to corn and we have to avoid many processed foods not because they list a corn derivative in the ingredient list, but because cornstarch and citric acid are the most popular manufacturing aids in the history of industrialization. Because they are used in the manufacturing process, it is not a requirement by the FDA that they be listed as ingredients. As you might be able to imagine, before we figured out there was hidden corn in many products, we were doomed to have reactions from all processed foods. Now that I understand about hidden corn, I can call the manufacturer and find out if there was any corn used in the products I am interested in buying. I don&#039;t always get an honest or complete answer, but it is a starting point so that we were able to create a list (albeit a very small list) of corn-free processed foods from which we can choose.

The natural bacons do not cause an allergic reaction but the conventional bacons containing sodium nitrate do every time. As far as I know, sodium nitrate is not made from corn (one of the very few food additives that isn&#039;t), but corn is involved somewhere in the production of it. Therefore, comparing sodium nitrate to celery powder is like comparing chocolate soy milk (with its 18 ingredients) to organic raw milk straight from the cow. There is a difference and it has nothing to do with marketing claims or misinformation.

BTW, apply this same wisdom I have provided for you to the MSG debate. Humans can be allergic to anything. How could you possibly think you have enough information to argue with someone about their level of sensitivity? MSG is usually made from GMO corn or soy using some pretty heinous manufacturing processed that most people would want to avoid if they knew anything about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to be very careful when trying to &#8220;disprove&#8221; the health afflictions of someone you don&#8217;t even know over an internet connection. My children and I are allergic to corn and we have to avoid many processed foods not because they list a corn derivative in the ingredient list, but because cornstarch and citric acid are the most popular manufacturing aids in the history of industrialization. Because they are used in the manufacturing process, it is not a requirement by the FDA that they be listed as ingredients. As you might be able to imagine, before we figured out there was hidden corn in many products, we were doomed to have reactions from all processed foods. Now that I understand about hidden corn, I can call the manufacturer and find out if there was any corn used in the products I am interested in buying. I don&#8217;t always get an honest or complete answer, but it is a starting point so that we were able to create a list (albeit a very small list) of corn-free processed foods from which we can choose.</p>
<p>The natural bacons do not cause an allergic reaction but the conventional bacons containing sodium nitrate do every time. As far as I know, sodium nitrate is not made from corn (one of the very few food additives that isn&#8217;t), but corn is involved somewhere in the production of it. Therefore, comparing sodium nitrate to celery powder is like comparing chocolate soy milk (with its 18 ingredients) to organic raw milk straight from the cow. There is a difference and it has nothing to do with marketing claims or misinformation.</p>
<p>BTW, apply this same wisdom I have provided for you to the MSG debate. Humans can be allergic to anything. How could you possibly think you have enough information to argue with someone about their level of sensitivity? MSG is usually made from GMO corn or soy using some pretty heinous manufacturing processed that most people would want to avoid if they knew anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 01:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank G*D for another voice added to the side of sanity.  Here is a link to my favourite article of all time on the matter:

http://www.dcscience.net/?p=1435

It addresses the major flaws in the methodologies of studies that detected an effect of nitrate/ite on human health, &amp; aptly whacks readers over the head with the truths that: (a) correlation does NOT equal causation; (b) appropriate experimental control and randomisation are the only paths to determining causality.

There just isn&#039;t evidence of a nitrate/ite effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank G*D for another voice added to the side of sanity.  Here is a link to my favourite article of all time on the matter:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dcscience.net/?p=1435" rel="nofollow">http://www.dcscience.net/?p=1435</a></p>
<p>It addresses the major flaws in the methodologies of studies that detected an effect of nitrate/ite on human health, &amp; aptly whacks readers over the head with the truths that: (a) correlation does NOT equal causation; (b) appropriate experimental control and randomisation are the only paths to determining causality.</p>
<p>There just isn&#8217;t evidence of a nitrate/ite effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Abbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 18:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what about the concentrated celery product used in place of the sodium nitrite?  It must be processed into a form where it can go through the same process with the meat to cure it and turn it pink, so does it also leave unbound nitrite that can form nitrosamines?  Or do other compounds in the celery mean that what&#039;s left forms nitric oxide instead?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what about the concentrated celery product used in place of the sodium nitrite?  It must be processed into a form where it can go through the same process with the meat to cure it and turn it pink, so does it also leave unbound nitrite that can form nitrosamines?  Or do other compounds in the celery mean that what&#8217;s left forms nitric oxide instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Abbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the other hand, it means they&#039;re not mixing in random bits of sheep blood with the corn that feeds the beef, so that&#039;s something.    (Apparently while the USDA won&#039;t let you feed scrap beef to cows because of mad cow / prion borne disease, it&#039;s fine to feed different scrap meat to naturally herbivorous mammals. Yum.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, it means they&#8217;re not mixing in random bits of sheep blood with the corn that feeds the beef, so that&#8217;s something.    (Apparently while the USDA won&#8217;t let you feed scrap beef to cows because of mad cow / prion borne disease, it&#8217;s fine to feed different scrap meat to naturally herbivorous mammals. Yum.)</p>
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